SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- It really depends on what a Notre Dame fan wants these days, a Domer's self-satisfaction quotient. If you're thrilled to stage a startling comeback, only to lose on three straight incompletions from the USC 4, then you're settling for an existence far beneath the national titles and Heisman Trophies of yesteryear. But if you're disgusted to lose, especially when the Irish used to win such games and were given one last play after NBC and everybody else thought the game was over, then you won't like Charlie Weis' take after the 34-27 defeat. In his world, he was proud that the FIghting Irish fought Saturday, even if the nickname connotes that the Irish are supposed to fight.
Meaning, we have crept into moral-victory territory under the Golden Dome, which is more a perpetuation of Rockne Bottom, in my mind, than any wondrous progress made by Weis in Year 5 of his wobbly $40 million project. Anyone who truly cares about Notre Dame football and what it once symbolized should have been spitting cuss words afterward, as Jimmy Clausen was. The Weis Guy? He was giving an inspirational speech that, somehow, isn't what Knute Rockne had in mind.
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"Anyone who doesn't realize the fight we're seeing in the Fighting Irish is missing the boat,'' he barked in the media room. "It's evident if you watched the last five games -- every week, it's the same thing. This team is a bunch of fighters. I'm proud of the fight. I'm disappointed in the loss; it's never OK to lose. But they're a bunch of fighters. Down three scores, everybody probably thought it was time to throw in the towel. Not this group. No way.''
I would have preferred a devastated reaction myself, such as the one delivered by Clausen. "Coming up short, with one second to go, is just heartbreaking,'' said the junior quarterback, who continues to impress with guile and guts while stuck with a defense that couldn't tackle and a still-shaky offensive line that allowed five sacks and left him limping.
Armed with a national TV contract, a contractually paved path to the Bowl Championship Series and a campus oozing of wealth and influence, Weis has no business applauding his team's effort in defeat.
It was time to win a big game, something Old Charlie hasn't shown he can do without Bill Belichick and Bill Parcells in charge, and now that he has lost his last nine against top 25 teams and all five against Pete Carroll and USC, we can start banging the drum slowly for him. How can Weis keep his job when his team isn't anywhere near the national elite, yet he's paid like an elite coach? If he is judged most critically in his performances aganst the Trojans, as fired predecessors Tyrone Willingham and Bob Davie were, then how does he maintain his employment beyond next month?
Where is the accountability to succeed? "If you would have told me before the game, 'Hey, you can have the ball on the 5-yard line with a chance to tie it or win,' I probably would have taken that,'' he said.
Gee, I think Rockne, Ara Parseghian, Dan Devine, Lou Holtz and other Irish coaches through the years would have taken a decisive victory. That defines just how miserably the program has plummeted since its last national championship in 1988.
It's not only that the Irish failed in the final minute, but how they failed. Rallying from a 34-14 deficit, which USC constructed thanks to the golden touch of freshman quarterback Matt Barkley, Notre Dame mismanaged the clock and didn't finish what it started. If Weis does anything well, it should be converting the frantic final drive into a victory, seeing how his pupil, Tom Brady, often helped him do it with the New England Patriots. Here was his chance to do it with his newest student, Clausen, who has been mounting late rallies all year and now had an opportunity to do so against the estimable USC defense. But after Clausen's fourth-down pass to Robby Parris was followed by a cheap shot to Parris' head by the nation's best safety, Taylor Mays, the Irish did nothing with a wonderful opportunity: First and goal at the USC 8, then first and goal at the 4 when Malik Jackson roughed up Clausen with another "knucklehead'' penalty, to quote Carroll.
The problem? That sequence required almost 20 seconds, draining to clock to nine ticks. Too much time was wasted by Clausen, who dawdled at the line, then scrambled for too long. He had time for two more plays, one a close miss to Kyle Rudolph on a jump ball, another not even close to Golden Tate -- who was spectacular all day. The Trojans celebrated, ran off the field and trash-talked Tate and other fallen Irish players. Carroll rushed to midfield to see Weis, while Clausen and Barkley exchanged handshakes and words. But rightfully so, the officials suspected that one second remained, and a replay confirmed it. So everyone came back onto the field for one last play that, in the end, defined why USC is a premier program under Carroll and Notre Dame is a wannabe under Weis.
In the shotgun, Clausen dropped back and fired the ball ... to no one in particular. We wanted a Joe Montana ending and instead got a harmless incompletion. In fairness, he didn't have Michael Floyd, a terrific receiver who is injured, or Parris, a solid possession receiver who was sidelined by Mays' hit and was seen crying with his parents after the game. Still, this was a Charlie Weis moment ... and it ended badly, like his previous six games against top 10 teams.
"We weren't worried. We knew how many plays we'd be able to get off,'' Weis said when asked why the clock was mismanaged. "We knew what plays we'd be able to call. We probably could have gotten it off a few seconds earlier [on first down], but with the one second at the end, that was the number of plays we thought we'd have. We ended up getting it done.''
Congratulations, Charlie. You got all your plays in. Never mind that you didn't win the game. His stance was in direct contrast to the dynamic Carroll, who never had a doubt that his defense would make the final stop, despite the dumb penalties and blown big lead.
"It was a great moment. Even when we had to go back [on the field], it just doubled the fun of getting it done,'' he said. "We had a real good play call, and we had to go play another real hard down and play it real well. Just execute the calls we had. Everyone in that huddle, everyone on the sidelines -- that's all we know. That may sound [arrogant], but we try to develop the mentality that it doesn't matter, just give us one last play. We want to have something left in the tank and finish it and win it. We prepare to build legitimacy to that mindset. When it doesn't happen, we can't even relate to it. It's a fun way to think and prepare and operate.''
Fun. Carroll and the Trojans always have it, which is why they're a top 5 program perennially. Weis and the Irish don't have nearly as much of it, which is why Charlie isn't long for South Bend. When Carroll took over at USC, he inherited the same sort of mess inherited by Weis at Notre Dame. Why does one former NFL coach get it done while the other, a former NFL assistant, doesn't get it done? How can USC have Notre Dame's number to the extreme of eight straight victories in a one-sided rivalry?
"All I know is, we win and play better football,'' Carroll said. "It's about that day, and it doesn't have anything to do with the past or the future. We've been able to have a real consistent run, and I can't tell you how thrilled we are to do that. We want rivalries to go this way so our fans get used to it. The expectations are difficult and challenging, but it's the only way we'd want it. We hope to keep this thing going. It's a big deal to us. It's special for the SC family to continue to be on top of this rivalry.''
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With Barkley, there's no reason the Trojans shouldn't keep romping. He started slowly, but settled down to hit seven consecutive passes for 195 yards, including one of two touchdown passes to Damian Williams. Notre Dame couldn't tackle the USC receivers, allowing tight end Anthony McCoy to roam freely with five catches for 153 yards, one for 60. As fellow southern Californians, Barkley and Clausen will be compared throughout their careers -- and surely on the next level.
Barkley won their first matchup with a 380-yard performance, and afterward, as he always does, thanked "Jesus Christ.'' He is a humble, smiling kid with a 3.9 grade-point average who loves life, bringing to mind Tim Tebow. This is in complete contrast to Clausen, who arrived at his oral commitment press conference in a stretch Hummer and hair that was spiked with goop.
Yes, as Weis said, Barkley has more weapons than Clausen. But Saturday, he found his weapons consistently. He now has won in Columbus, Berkeley and South Bend. Not bad for a 19-year-old.
"Exceptional play from the quarterback. Matt Barkley is really something,'' Carroll said. "The plays he's capable of making, there's no limit for him. He's just remarkable -- there's no other way to describe it. There's no one else to compare him to in our history. He's so poised, so comfortable in the arena. He has this great inner strength. He's doing the same things that our other quarterbacks have done. I'm not saying he's better than Carson [Palmer] or Matt [Leinart], but I'm saying he's doing now what those guys were doing in the middle of their careers.''
On a day when Clausen could have taken hold of the Heisman race and didn't, Barkley picked up some votes himself. He's not going to win -- Tebow may have locked it down Saturday, between his 69-yard final drive to beat upset-minded Arkansas and Colt McCoy's inconsistency -- but he'll win one someday as Palmer and Leinart did.
As for Weis, he's 4-2 with losable games left against Boston College, Pittsburgh, Connecticut and Stanford. Someone asked if he would have gone for a two-point conversion. Surprisingly, he answered the question.
"I was torn,'' Weis said. "My gut is, I probably would not have. I probably would have kicked the extra point, then made the freshman quarterback beat you in overtime.''
It's a good thing, then, that Clausen's final pass fell incomplete. Because based on that jittery rationale, the freshman quarterback would have rallied his team -- as he did at Ohio State -- and won the game. And the Domers really would have raised hell about Charlie Weis, who is advised to enjoy his final days in South Bend without ever again applauding the Fighting Irish for, um, fighting.











Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
10-18-2009 @ 12:39AM
banjtheman said...
the internship should end this year
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10-18-2009 @ 12:50AM
shortridehd said...
Hopefully what we got to see today was fat Charlie's wake. It is time for him to go.
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10-18-2009 @ 2:30AM
Rogerg591 said...
Mariotti is an idiot this is not 1977 or even 1988. Weiss has the you men playing hard for 60 minutes and Notre Dame is averaging over 30 points a game plus he has brought in a solid defensive coach who has started to show fast improvement. Weiss has developed solid QB'S Tom Brady, Brady Quinn and Clawson who will play in the NFL. When you look at the progress of Quinn and Clawson it all leads to Weiss. Of the past 5 Notre Dame coaches on Holtz had a better record than Weiss. Lets not forget either when the University of Notre Dame jerked the academic exceptions from Holtz his teams were no longer in contention for National Championships either. I hate to tell the Domers when a kid puts on a Gold Helmet they cant drop their 40 yard dash time from 4.6 to 4.3 because they became a Domer.
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10-18-2009 @ 3:24PM
Brandon said...
so you're taking the "notre dame is suffering because of our academic standards" route. well guess what? notre dame has brought in top 10 recruiting classes the last few years still. it's not like you're fishing the bottom of the barrel to get decent football players who qualify. notre dame still gets it's talent (and i'm sure they have academic loopholes to this day) but they still can't piece together a top 10 team (or top 25 for that matter)
10-18-2009 @ 2:45AM
Mr. Squirrel said...
If anything, Charlie will be here next year. After that, it's back to rebuilding ND (all the good players will be going to the NFL) and who knows what will happen after that. I don't think he'll survive after Clauson heads off to the NFL, which is hopefully after next year.
I can only hope that this loss pisses ND off and makes them try damn hard because of how close it was.
I also think that ND has one more chance to beat USC next year too. Some of their big play makers will be heading off to the NFL this year.
And hopefully by then, ND's defense will be better. It's ridiculous. Every game besides the Nevada one were only close because of defense. They need to be more explosive.
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10-18-2009 @ 3:03AM
Gregg said...
ND needs to join a conference. Without that they have no legitimate contemporaries each year.
ND has lucked out in the final few minutes of just about every game this year. That isn't a game plan, and surly not a Victory plan.
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10-18-2009 @ 7:26AM
Hey their Boski said...
For him to say they showed they were fighters is correct, they hung tough. But when speaking of fighters, if you supposedly possess the most talent, you are supposed to knock out your opponent, all I have seen is they try to bob and weave and go the distance, and they lose. No, with this talent they should know how to tackle, corners and safety's should be able to cover a receiver, and you should be making play calls that work, not the calls you made in the 2nd quarter with a chance to really make a statement, no, he calls run play at 3rd and 2, no gain, then the offensive genius with a chance to score and really have some momentum going into the 2nd half calls the same play, no gain, how do you make this call if he admits the offensive lines has some problems. It seems that he just doesn't know what to do. Cut him loose now!!!
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10-18-2009 @ 8:32AM
Dr. Robert Scott said...
The first year that Weis had a winning streak was because he was using Ty Willingham's recruits. I hate the way ND did Willingham. so Weis deserves what he is getting.
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10-18-2009 @ 1:38PM
RussB said...
I live here in South Bend area and you guys are idiots! Weiss is getting the job done. They are not to the next level yet. SC has had scandals gallor with their players and it get pushed under the rug. Remember Bush????? They only car about football not acedemics. That is why it is tuffer at ND they have to be athletes AND students. So back off idiot and I bet you never went to a good school for an education. ND would not let you in. Get over it!
10-18-2009 @ 8:43AM
xybatt said...
Notre Dame has all the tradition, money and recruiting edge, plus the NBC wish for success. (An extra seccond!!The game was over). Weiss is failing. Lou Holtz Underachieved at Notre Dame. Weiss is embarassing. Any fan could win 7 or 8 games at ND, even if they never had coached before.
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10-18-2009 @ 9:55AM
DP said...
Neutered Dame has tradition, recruiting, plays hard, and fights hard. That's great...brings a tear to my eye.
Too bad none of that translates to victories. Anyone associated with Neutered Dame needs to realize that. And you certainly can't ride your tradition and history anymore. Neutered Dame is a big fat joke (no pun intended Charlie).
You're great at beating the service acadamies, the occasional Purdue's, Michigan State's, etc but then lose to the clubs that actually have a heartbeat.
You're better off as an independent - if you joined an actual conference that would be a forever death penalty because you couldn't squeak out anything better than a .500 record. That might be good though - no more BCS bowls just because of your name (only to then get embarrassed by another quality opponent).
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10-18-2009 @ 10:25AM
blotdoc said...
The dumbing down of Notre Dame football has been completed under Weis. We no longer measure a coach by wins or championships. The only things that matter are whether the "boys tried," or "never gave up," or "came close." Never mind all the bone headed coaching decisions -- again forgoing a field goal on the opening drive of the third quarter that would have been a momentum changer! ND will drop a few more games to less talented teams this year, get a bid to the Lysol Toilet Bowl in Secaucas, N.J. where Jimmy Clausen will throw 10 TDs against Seton hall Prep. And Weis will be rewarded with a 10 year extension!
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10-18-2009 @ 10:55AM
ambimas said...
He's done a great job with Claussen. But he has totally neglected his defense!!! the Defense sucks and needs to be bailed out every weekl this week we fell short!!! I think Charlie desrves another year to get it right!!
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10-18-2009 @ 11:14AM
cpbr2000 said...
Notre Dame will never beat the Trojans as long as Weis is there.Why did they think he was such a genenius any way..ND didnt give Willingham a chance to prove what he could do..the Trojans will only get better..Barkley will be the next trojan Heisman Trophy winner..keep trying Weis you wont beat USC..fight on trojans
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10-18-2009 @ 11:21AM
billyd1004 said...
See ya Chuck. You fat F@ck.
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10-18-2009 @ 11:43AM
blotdoc said...
All I can say is: If Charlie's first name was Ty and his skin tone was darker, there would be a lynching party going on under the Tarnished Dome! You have to wonder why Charlie was only able to win with Ty's recruits! This guy is no coach. He is a bloated gambler from Jersey. That's all. And he needs to work a few salads into his diet too.
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10-18-2009 @ 11:50AM
Jim said...
Who will be the next coach?
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10-18-2009 @ 12:20PM
wwwbkbigfish said...
I get sick whenever I read this crap. Notre Dame still has the toughest academic standards whether you are a ball player or just an everyday student. They are not allowed to accept junior college transfers to fill gaps as some of their players leave. And oh by the way, their athletes must take and pass real college academic courses. All of this makes it tough to recruit, compete and excell. I think when the scholorships were cut, that was the doom for Notre Dame. They no longer have 90 players that they can plug in when someone graduates, flunk out or get injured. Yes, they had a small advantage in the old days but now the playing field is leveled and they can either continue with academic excellence as their goal or compromise and make athletics paramount. I have a feeling that the Notre Dame Faculty likes to see good sports teams but they realize that college is for education and athletics are always going to be secondery. Oh, I thought that is the way it should be, silly me.
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10-18-2009 @ 1:12PM
twann9852 said...
ND needs to ease admission requirements...or accept where they are.
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10-18-2009 @ 2:38PM
tj healy said...
i'll take one John Gruden please
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